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Post Re: A Return to the Moon by the Apollo 11 50th Anniversary.   Posted on: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:17 pm
A manned lunar landing flight for less than $100 million in launch cost, assuming the Falcon Heavy really does hit the $1,000 per pound price point:

Budget Moon flights.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ights.html

Notably it uses European stages for the translunar injection and lander stages. Then you could have an all European mission if using an Ariane 5 ME and a separate human-rated European launcher for crew instead of a Falcon Heavy.
As I discussed before, a European human-rated launcher is doable by just selecting for the Ariane 6 the all-liquid fueled version. This could also be ready by the same 2017-2018 time frame for the Ariane 5 ME.
This is another advantage of the liquid-fueled version of the Ariane 6. It could also allow low cost European manned lunar flights around the same time as the Americans.


Bob Clark

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Post Re: A Return to the Moon by the Apollo 11 50th Anniversary.   Posted on: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:30 pm
RGClark wrote:
A manned lunar landing flight for less than $100 million in launch cost, assuming the Falcon Heavy really does hit the $1,000 per pound price point:

Budget Moon flights.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ights.html

Notably it uses European stages for the translunar injection and lander stages. Then you could have an all European mission if using an Ariane 5 ME and a separate human-rated European launcher for crew instead of a Falcon Heavy.
As I discussed before, a European human-rated launcher is doable by just selecting for the Ariane 6 the all-liquid fueled version. This could also be ready by the same 2017-2018 time frame for the Ariane 5 ME.
This is another advantage of the liquid-fueled version of the Ariane 6. It could also allow low cost European manned lunar flights around the same time as the Americans.


Bob Clark


Calculations for the all-liquid fueled Ariane 6 core as a SSTO:

FRIDAY, MARCH 29, 2013
The Coming SSTO's: multi-Vulcain Ariane.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... riane.html

Bob Clark

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Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines
and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO.
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Post Re: A Return to the Moon by the Apollo 11 50th Anniversary.   Posted on: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:38 pm
Great news here:

SPACE
NASA Plans to Make Water on the Moon.
APR 12, 2013 07:50 PM ET // BY IRENE KLOTZ
Quote:
NASA is developing a lunar rover to find and analyze water and other
materials trapped in deep freezes at the moon’s poles and to
demonstrate how water can be made on site.
Slated to fly in November 2017, the mission, called Regolith and
Environment Science and Oxygen and Lunar Volatile Extraction
(RESOLVE), will have a week to accomplish its goals.
To stay within a tight $250 million budget cap -- including the rocket
ride to the moon -- project managers are planning to use solar energy
to power the rover’s systems and science instruments. However,
sunlight on the places where water and other volatiles may be trapped
only occurs for a few days at a time.
http://news.discovery.com/space/making- ... 130412.htm


This mission builds on the LCROSS mission. I consider LCROSS to be
one of the most successful planetary missions ever developed since it
returned such profoundly important results at such low cost. The cost/
benefit ratio was tremendous. (As a mathematician I suppose I should
express that as the benefit/cost ratio was tremendous. :wink: ) I hope NASA
selects the same award-winning managers as for the LCROSS mission.

I do have a question about the mission. The article describes it will
have a limited lifetime because of the limited sunlight at the
location it will visit. But I recall there were locations close to
some shadowed craters that were nearly continually bathed in sunlight.
Could these locations be used to get a longer mission?

Bob Clark

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Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines
and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO.
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Post Re: A Return to the Moon by the Apollo 11 50th Anniversary.   Posted on: Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:16 pm
RGClark wrote:
RGClark wrote:
A manned lunar landing flight for less than $100 million in launch cost, assuming the Falcon Heavy really does hit the $1,000 per pound price point:

Budget Moon flights.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ights.html

Notably it uses European stages for the translunar injection and lander stages. Then you could have an all European mission if using an Ariane 5 ME and a separate human-rated European launcher for crew instead of a Falcon Heavy.
As I discussed before, a European human-rated launcher is doable by just selecting for the Ariane 6 the all-liquid fueled version. This could also be ready by the same 2017-2018 time frame for the Ariane 5 ME.
This is another advantage of the liquid-fueled version of the Ariane 6. It could also allow low cost European manned lunar flights around the same time as the Americans.


Bob Clark


Calculations for the all-liquid fueled Ariane 6 core as a SSTO:

FRIDAY, MARCH 29, 2013
The Coming SSTO's: multi-Vulcain Ariane.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... riane.html

Bob Clark


Discussion of a low cost European crew capsule:

Budget Moon flights: lightweight crew capsule.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... -crew.html


Bob Clark

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Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines
and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO.
Blog: http://exoscientist.blogspot.com


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Post Re: A Return to the Moon by the Apollo 11 50th Anniversary.   Posted on: Tue May 07, 2013 9:14 am
RGClark wrote:
RGClark wrote:
RGClark wrote:
A manned lunar landing flight for less than $100 million in launch cost, assuming the Falcon Heavy really does hit the $1,000 per pound price point:

Budget Moon flights.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ights.html

Notably it uses European stages for the translunar injection and lander stages. Then you could have an all European mission if using an Ariane 5 ME and a separate human-rated European launcher for crew instead of a Falcon Heavy.
As I discussed before, a European human-rated launcher is doable by just selecting for the Ariane 6 the all-liquid fueled version. This could also be ready by the same 2017-2018 time frame for the Ariane 5 ME.
This is another advantage of the liquid-fueled version of the Ariane 6. It could also allow low cost European manned lunar flights around the same time as the Americans.


Calculations for the all-liquid fueled Ariane 6 core as a SSTO:

FRIDAY, MARCH 29, 2013
The Coming SSTO's: multi-Vulcain Ariane.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... riane.html


Discussion of a low cost European crew capsule:

Budget Moon flights: lightweight crew capsule.
http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... -crew.html



According to NASA administrator Charles Bolden, NASA will not be
returning us to the Moon(*) but may engage in partnerships with other
space agencies or private entities who could.
Then it's interesting the ESA has the required lightweight in-space
stages and lightweight capsule in the Cygnus to accomplish this at low
cost.
Another key fact is that NASA has shown with SpaceX and now with
Orbital Sciences that development costs can be cut drastically (by 80
to 90% !) by following a commercial approach.
Then this could be a project NASA could encourage, at low cost to
NASA, by partnering with ESA and private entities like Golden Spike,
while at the same time satisfying the critics who want us to return to
the Moon.

Bob Clark

(*)US Won't Lead New Manned Moon Landings, NASA Chief Says.
by Miriam Kramer, SPACE.com Staff Writer
Date: 08 April 2013 Time: 01:41 PM ET
http://www.space.com/20557-nasa-moon-mi ... olden.html

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Blog: http://exoscientist.blogspot.com


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