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A Return to the Moon by the Apollo 11 50th Anniversary.
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A manned lunar landing flight for less than $100 million in launch cost, assuming the Falcon Heavy really does hit the $1,000 per pound price point:
Budget Moon flights. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ights.html Notably it uses European stages for the translunar injection and lander stages. Then you could have an all European mission if using an Ariane 5 ME and a separate human-rated European launcher for crew instead of a Falcon Heavy. As I discussed before, a European human-rated launcher is doable by just selecting for the Ariane 6 the all-liquid fueled version. This could also be ready by the same 2017-2018 time frame for the Ariane 5 ME. This is another advantage of the liquid-fueled version of the Ariane 6. It could also allow low cost European manned lunar flights around the same time as the Americans. Bob Clark _________________ Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago with the Titan II first stage. Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO. Blog: http://exoscientist.blogspot.com |
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RGClark wrote: A manned lunar landing flight for less than $100 million in launch cost, assuming the Falcon Heavy really does hit the $1,000 per pound price point: Budget Moon flights. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ights.html Notably it uses European stages for the translunar injection and lander stages. Then you could have an all European mission if using an Ariane 5 ME and a separate human-rated European launcher for crew instead of a Falcon Heavy. As I discussed before, a European human-rated launcher is doable by just selecting for the Ariane 6 the all-liquid fueled version. This could also be ready by the same 2017-2018 time frame for the Ariane 5 ME. This is another advantage of the liquid-fueled version of the Ariane 6. It could also allow low cost European manned lunar flights around the same time as the Americans. Bob Clark Calculations for the all-liquid fueled Ariane 6 core as a SSTO: FRIDAY, MARCH 29, 2013 The Coming SSTO's: multi-Vulcain Ariane. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... riane.html Bob Clark _________________ Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago with the Titan II first stage. Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO. Blog: http://exoscientist.blogspot.com |
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Great news here:
SPACE NASA Plans to Make Water on the Moon. APR 12, 2013 07:50 PM ET // BY IRENE KLOTZ Quote: NASA is developing a lunar rover to find and analyze water and other materials trapped in deep freezes at the moon’s poles and to demonstrate how water can be made on site. Slated to fly in November 2017, the mission, called Regolith and Environment Science and Oxygen and Lunar Volatile Extraction (RESOLVE), will have a week to accomplish its goals. To stay within a tight $250 million budget cap -- including the rocket ride to the moon -- project managers are planning to use solar energy to power the rover’s systems and science instruments. However, sunlight on the places where water and other volatiles may be trapped only occurs for a few days at a time. http://news.discovery.com/space/making- ... 130412.htm This mission builds on the LCROSS mission. I consider LCROSS to be one of the most successful planetary missions ever developed since it returned such profoundly important results at such low cost. The cost/ benefit ratio was tremendous. (As a mathematician I suppose I should express that as the benefit/cost ratio was tremendous. selects the same award-winning managers as for the LCROSS mission. I do have a question about the mission. The article describes it will have a limited lifetime because of the limited sunlight at the location it will visit. But I recall there were locations close to some shadowed craters that were nearly continually bathed in sunlight. Could these locations be used to get a longer mission? Bob Clark _________________ Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago with the Titan II first stage. Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO. Blog: http://exoscientist.blogspot.com |
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RGClark wrote: RGClark wrote: A manned lunar landing flight for less than $100 million in launch cost, assuming the Falcon Heavy really does hit the $1,000 per pound price point: Budget Moon flights. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ights.html Notably it uses European stages for the translunar injection and lander stages. Then you could have an all European mission if using an Ariane 5 ME and a separate human-rated European launcher for crew instead of a Falcon Heavy. As I discussed before, a European human-rated launcher is doable by just selecting for the Ariane 6 the all-liquid fueled version. This could also be ready by the same 2017-2018 time frame for the Ariane 5 ME. This is another advantage of the liquid-fueled version of the Ariane 6. It could also allow low cost European manned lunar flights around the same time as the Americans. Bob Clark Calculations for the all-liquid fueled Ariane 6 core as a SSTO: FRIDAY, MARCH 29, 2013 The Coming SSTO's: multi-Vulcain Ariane. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... riane.html Bob Clark Discussion of a low cost European crew capsule: Budget Moon flights: lightweight crew capsule. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... -crew.html Bob Clark _________________ Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago with the Titan II first stage. Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO. Blog: http://exoscientist.blogspot.com |
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RGClark wrote: RGClark wrote: RGClark wrote: A manned lunar landing flight for less than $100 million in launch cost, assuming the Falcon Heavy really does hit the $1,000 per pound price point: Budget Moon flights. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ights.html Notably it uses European stages for the translunar injection and lander stages. Then you could have an all European mission if using an Ariane 5 ME and a separate human-rated European launcher for crew instead of a Falcon Heavy. As I discussed before, a European human-rated launcher is doable by just selecting for the Ariane 6 the all-liquid fueled version. This could also be ready by the same 2017-2018 time frame for the Ariane 5 ME. This is another advantage of the liquid-fueled version of the Ariane 6. It could also allow low cost European manned lunar flights around the same time as the Americans. Calculations for the all-liquid fueled Ariane 6 core as a SSTO: FRIDAY, MARCH 29, 2013 The Coming SSTO's: multi-Vulcain Ariane. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... riane.html Discussion of a low cost European crew capsule: Budget Moon flights: lightweight crew capsule. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... -crew.html According to NASA administrator Charles Bolden, NASA will not be returning us to the Moon(*) but may engage in partnerships with other space agencies or private entities who could. Then it's interesting the ESA has the required lightweight in-space stages and lightweight capsule in the Cygnus to accomplish this at low cost. Another key fact is that NASA has shown with SpaceX and now with Orbital Sciences that development costs can be cut drastically (by 80 to 90% !) by following a commercial approach. Then this could be a project NASA could encourage, at low cost to NASA, by partnering with ESA and private entities like Golden Spike, while at the same time satisfying the critics who want us to return to the Moon. Bob Clark (*)US Won't Lead New Manned Moon Landings, NASA Chief Says. by Miriam Kramer, SPACE.com Staff Writer Date: 08 April 2013 Time: 01:41 PM ET http://www.space.com/20557-nasa-moon-mi ... olden.html _________________ Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago with the Titan II first stage. Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO. Blog: http://exoscientist.blogspot.com |
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NASA's commercial spaceflight program has the solution for not only
making the U.S. a space faring nation, but for making humanity a space faring species: On the lasting importance of the SpaceX accomplishment, Page 3: towards European human spaceflight. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... pacex.html Bob Clark _________________ Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago with the Titan II first stage. Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO. Blog: http://exoscientist.blogspot.com |
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The cost to NASA for lunar or other BEO missions can be cut drastically,
perhaps by three orders of magnitude, by adopting a combination of four cost-cutting approaches: 1.)Commercial space approach. SpaceX and now Orbital Sciences have shown that as much as 90% off of the development cost can be cut by the cost-sharing of the commercial space approach. 2.)Go small. NASA’s SEV weighs about a third that of Orion. Orbital’s Cygnus weighs about a quarter. Imagine how small, and low cost, your lunar mission could be if you only had to transport a quarter of the mass to the Moon. 3.)Use existing components. The huge development costs for the Apollo program and of Constellation were because they had to use all newly developed components. Those costs would be reduced greatly if you only had to adapt already existing components. No Saturn V, Ares V, or SLS, and their huge development costs, required. 4.)Use international partners. The cut in development cost by engaging in cost-sharing is already included in the commercial space approach. However, the cost to NASA can be cut even further by sharing development costs with our international space partners such as the ESA and Japan. The advantages of extending the commercial space approach to BEO flights I discuss here: Budget Moon Flights: letter to NASA. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... -nasa.html The National Research Council is soliciting input from the public about what direction NASA should take regarding human spaceflight: NRC Committee on Human Spaceflight Needs Input. Posted by Marc Boucher Posted June 4, 2013 8:30 AM Quote: The National Research Council Committee on Human Spaceflight Needs is looking for input from communities interested in human exploration. The deadline for submissions is July 9. http://spaceref.com/exploration/nrc-com ... input.html Now's the time to let YOUR vision for space be heard! Bob Clark _________________ Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago with the Titan II first stage. Contrary to popular belief, SSTO's in fact are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO. Blog: http://exoscientist.blogspot.com |
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